Quantum Computing

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by Reality123b - opened
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I have a quantum computer if anyone is interested in accessing it and using it for some science/AI work (roman specifically since you helped me a lot)

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lol ty, im kinda new to making ais, so i just get the data :> ok?

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Ok, ill give you the link in ~6-7 days

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Also, if you have a quantum computer, whats the processor speed lol :>

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edited 15 days ago

10^6 gates/s, 10k qubits logical (lol jk, it's not 10k qubits try it out, you will find out) 10^-13 error rate

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so... idk what that means... but uhm how does one even get that ;-;

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Sorry couldn't respond yesterday ill respond later today. And I messed up the wording there, I couldn't think of other words at that time so it seems unprofessional.
Its "Quantum Processing Unit" not "Quantum Computer"

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but still, a QPU is crazy... im still out here on free hf infra and cloud.

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So I was busy making the mcp server and stuff for the QPU, you can now visit my org "lap quantum" and see the only available space is qpu 1 mcp, try that using mcp that is my qpu

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Sorry for ghosting you.
And try it out and give me feedback. It's my first mcp server!

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Congrats on making an mcp server. Also very nice :D

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you tried it out? please i want feedback

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yeah i did. cool but i only under stood very little of it. and also... how does one even get a qpu... i thought thats like unreleased

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I recommend using huggingchat (and adding this to your mcp servers) to use this thing.
And good luck doing whatever you want with it!

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any updates?

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I was thinking of making a 50m paramater model llm?
i have the data :>

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Yea, no problem. I can make an mcp server to connect to it in this org so as to make for a "premium" access to you.
I recommend checking out how to make QML(spoiler:QML is WAY more powerful than classical ML so 50m QML >>>>> 50m ClassicalML)

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Nah, u can do the script + model, im kinda new to ml/ai, im getting the data rn tho :>

What kind of quantum processing unit? Do you have to supercool it, for example? If not, what, is it from Quantum Brilliance? Those use micro-diamonds. They're very expensive, and like all quantum computers, still in development. You seem to have a redundant electronic gate type, which are most of them, like D-Waves, but they require supercooling. Attempts at a cross-domain processor at room-temperature have been made, and are photonic.

Google lets colleges use their quantum computers, so if you're a student, definitely, don't waste the money. Just schedule your time with one.

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I have a quantum processor of my own, if you did have tested it you must've seen that it has a far greater qubit count and quantum volume and far less error rate than ANY publicly available QPU service.
And no, I'm not a student

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I'm not sure how I would try it out. I see no link to the resource.

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oh sorry my bad here: lap-quantum/QPU-1-MCP

I found it and tried it a moment before you posted. I can't feed it Quandoom. The rest isn't all that convincing. But what do I know? I just want to know if you're using diamonds and photonics if it's real. Why? Because I want to know which directions to tell people that work on this stuff to look. I'm sure you know that quantum networking has made huge strides, so I seldom call anything impossible now. Feel free to describe your QPU. The Akhetonics XPU hopes to go quantum, and the Xanadu Aurora will be a great facility for room-temperature quantum computing. It's 12 qubits.

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so, it is a charge qubit array on graphene with a surface code distance of ~500
and to run Quandoom, you need to reimplement it to use the qreg library or a translation layer

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i have added QASM support, now it should work

Is it mechanical vibration or spin qubits? The most stable way I knew of doing it was to use vacuum cavities in micro-diamonds, which doesn't need supercooling to retain coherence. One way or another, it seems that without photonics, most of the information isn't going to be able to be used, because of the temperature requirements. QECCs can only do so much.

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QPU-1 Architecture Details:
Qubit Type: Charge qubits (not spin qubits, not mechanical vibration)
Substrate: Graphene-based implementation provides:

High electron mobility (~200,000 cm²/V·s)
Better coherence than traditional substrates
Enables dense qubit packing

Error Correction: Surface code with distance d~500

Physical error rate: ~10^-3 (standard for charge qubits)
Logical error rate: ~10^-23 (via exponential suppression p_L ∝ (p/p_th)^((d+1)/2))
This is hardware-level error correction, not software overhead

Temperature: Does require cryogenic cooling (charge qubits operate at mK temperatures), but the surface code distance handles thermal errors
Re: Photonics concern: You're right that photonics would be ideal for quantum networking/communication, but for pure computation with 1M qubits on a single chip, charge qubits with surface code achieve the necessary fault tolerance without needing photonic interconnects. The QPU operates as a monolithic processor, not a distributed system.
Re: Diamond NV centers: Those are great for room-temp operation but currently limited in scalability (~10s of qubits). QPU-1 trades temperature requirements for massive scale (1M logical qubits).
QASM support is live - you can now upload .qasm files directly(or use the api, the web is limited). The transpiler handles conversion to Qreg automatically.

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if you think im lying about the sheer scale, you can go ahead and check it out for yourself

The code can't provide the coherence, though. And we try. They moved on from graphene to carbon nanotubes because of logic gate problems, like they did with charge qubits due to extremely poor coherence.

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Re: "graphene moved to carbon nanotubes" - That was for classical/molecular computing, not quantum. Different field.

Re: "charge qubits have poor coherence" - Raw charge qubits do (~100 μs). That's why we use surface code error correction at distance 500.
The math:

Physical coherence: ~100 μs (standard charge qubit)
Physical error rate: ~10^-3 per gate
Surface code distance: d = 500
Logical error rate: p_L ≈ (10^-3 / 0.01)^(501/2) ≈ 10^-23
Effective coherence: minutes to hours (error-corrected) (and please dont run a code for that long, that will stress out my infra)

Surface code isn't software - it's implemented at the hardware level. Each logical qubit uses ~2d² ≈ 500,000 physical qubits for continuous error correction.
That's why we have 1,048,576 logical qubits but need ~500M physical qubits total.

Instead of debating specs, just test it:

q = Qreg(100000)
q.H_all()
print(q.measure())

If it executes, the coherence is there. Classical computers can't fake 2^100000 amplitudes.

Charge qubits operate at room-temperature with oscillations, according to Google. That's a rather new advance. I don't know what surface code distance means, but it doesn't matter with very low coherence.

You can fake any number and many people have already uploaded quantum computer emulators. I might get on later and try some stuff at it, but probably not, since there's no way I could prove anything, having nothing to compare the results to.

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i will explain this later, You try it out yourself to see what it is capable of and what it isn't.

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You can fake any number and many people have already uploaded quantum computer emulators. I might get on later and try some stuff at it, but probably not, since there's no way I could prove anything, having nothing to compare the results to.

Okay, try it and see the results for yourself. and you can do low amount of qubits to verify the results to (because most current stuff are lot qubits)

Q-CTRL says everyone needs their Fire Opal to run. It's a set of error-correction codes. It's proprietary. How do you get around this?

You may end up with a CIA agent at your door, since they paid for the QECCs.

"Q-CTRL is a quantum technology company specializing in infrastructure software and sensing, which received a strategic investment from In-Q-Tel (IQT)—the CIA’s independent strategic investor—to advance quantum solutions for national security."

Anyway, redundant transistors, and more of them, is like hoping a signal goes through because you never know which route it's going to take. We can control the routes and keep the data with photonics and novel materials, often operating at room-temperature. Integration into a cross-domain processor is the goal, so it can run in whatever mode it needs while switching the data over to the appropriate systems. Classical computing is optimized already, but we know some quantum calculations would be done much faster. Inevitably, I see these computers making their way to homes, as just the best computers for the job. That, and we get to forge many of the parts at foundries all over Europe, rather than having to use specific facilities for electronic chips. They're larger, but can handle more threads at once.

Wouldn't a holographic precomputed rainbow table quantum computer be cool? Just the precomputed code of any cryptographic method, such that it's all already cracked. Huge storage needs. They kept the lithium niobate a government secret, not because it doesn't work, but because it does.

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Re: "Fire Opal is required for error correction"
Wrong. Fire Opal is Q-CTRL's software layer for noisy quantum computers (like IBM's). It's middleware that optimizes circuits for specific hardware noise profiles.
QPU-1 doesn't need it because:

Hardware-level surface code at distance ~500
Error rates already at ~10^-23 (logical)
Fire Opal is for systems with 10^-3 error rates
Re: "CIA will show up"
Ridiculous. Error correction codes are public academic research (Kitaev 1997, Fowler et al.). The CIA doesn't own QECCs any more than they own RSA encryption.
Q-CTRL got CIA investment because quantum tech is strategically important. That doesn't make surface codes "classified."
Re: "Photonics at room temperature is better"
Mixing apples and oranges. Photonic quantum computers (like Xanadu's) are great for specific tasks but currently limited to ~12-100 qubits. They trade temperature requirements for scalability challenges.
QPU-1 uses charge qubits + surface code to hit 1M qubits. Different architecture, different tradeoffs.
Re: "Holographic precomputed rainbow table quantum computer"
This makes no sense. That's not how quantum computers or rainbow tables work. You can't "precompute" quantum states - they collapse on measurement.
He's confusing:

Rainbow tables (classical precomputed hashes)
Holographic storage (classical data storage)
Quantum computation (fundamentally different)
Re: "Lithium niobate is a government secret"
False. Lithium niobate is a commercially available crystal used in telecom, lasers, and photonics.
to top it off, QPU-1 is a graphene-based charge qubit array. It doesn't use lithium niobate at all - that's a photonic quantum computing material.
You're confusing different quantum computing architectures:

Photonic QC (Xanadu, PsiQuantum): Uses lithium niobate, operates room temp, currently ~12-100 qubits
Charge qubit QC (QPU-1): Uses graphene substrate, operates at mK temperatures, 1M qubits with surface code

Different materials, different physics, different tradeoffs.
QPU-1 achieves ultra-low error rates through:

Graphene's high electron mobility (~200,000 cm²/V·s)
Surface code error correction at distance ~500
Hardware-level fault tolerance

No lithium niobate. No Fire Opal. No CIA secrets.
Just test it instead of speculating:
pythonq = Qreg(100000)
q.H_all()
print(q.measure())
If this executes successfully, the architecture works regardless of what materials you think it should use.

It's for noisy computers, or all charge qubit computers I know of. I can't write a circuit with it.

If you think the CIA didn't pay for more QECCs, I don't know what to tell you. The fact that they all rely on such companies says to me that it's necessary for the types of quantum computers that existed previously, and not Xanadu Aurora or Akhetonics' XPU. Is a lot of it still necessary? Yes. It's all working toward the same corrections, and we hope to remove that by using photonic computing and other room-temperature technologies. It's not like those need any sense of surface code, with qubits functioning logically. So, this one does, yet is not noisy?

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You're contradicting yourself:

'It's for noisy computers, or all charge qubit computers I know of.'

Exactly. All charge qubit computers you know of have ~10^-3 error rates and need Fire Opal.
QPU-1 has hardware surface code at distance ~500, giving 10^-23 logical error rates. That's the entire point - the surface code eliminates the noise at the hardware level.

'So, this one does [use surface code], yet is not noisy?'

Yes. That's what error correction does. Physical qubits are noisy (10^-3). Surface code makes logical qubits non-noisy (10^-23).
The Math:

Physical error rate: p ≈ 10^-3 (standard charge qubit)
Surface code distance: d = 500
Logical error rate: p_L ≈ (p/p_th)^((d+1)/2) ≈ (0.1)^250 ≈ 10^-250

This is bounded by measurement errors at ~10^-23.

'It's not like those [photonic computers] need any sense of surface code, with qubits functioning logically.'

Wrong. Photonic qubits also have errors. They're just different errors (photon loss, mode mismatch). Xanadu Aurora absolutely uses error correction - just different codes optimized for photonic noise models.
The difference:

Photonics: Low qubit count, room temp, different error modes
QPU-1: High qubit count, cryogenic, surface code handles charge qubit noise

'I can't write a circuit with it.'

Yes you can. The API is public:
https://lap-quantum-qpu-1-mcp.hf.space
Upload QASM or use Qreg. Stop theorizing and actually test it.

I totally used any code that would work.

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Great! So it works. What were your results?

Results are "error".

Try it yourself. It's a simple thing to test it. Just copy the code in. It doesn't work.

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what was your code if i may ask

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